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Me, Myself and I – Holy Spirit 3rd person is illogical

by Bill Wong

 

 

 

 

The Trinity doctrine is a contradiction and it is illogical to say God’s spirit is its own person.

 

Every person can be said to have his own spirit, but does this mean he is talking about another person or is he just using another way to refer to himself?   Given below is a very, very short list of examples where the Bible shows a person referring to his own spirit, but the spirit is equated with oneself and not as a separate and different entity.

 

Genesis 41:

8  Now in the morning his spirit was troubled, so he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt,

    and all its wise men And Pharaoh told them his dreams, but there was no one who could interpret them to Pharaoh.   (NASB)

 

Job 7:

11  "Therefore I will not restrain my mouth;
       I will speak in the anguish of my spirit,
       I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.   (NASB)

 

Psalm 51:

10   Create in me a clean heart, O God,

       And renew a steadfast spirit within me. 

11   Do not cast me away from Your presence
       And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. 

12   Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
       And sustain me with a willing spirit.   (NASB)

 

Psalm 77:

3    I remembered God, and was troubled;
     I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed.  Selah    
4    You hold my eyelids open;
     I am so troubled that I cannot speak.
5    I have considered the days of old,
     The years of ancient times.
6    I call to remembrance my song in the night;
     I meditate within my heart, 
     And my spirit makes diligent search.   (NKJV)

 

Daniel 2:

3    And the king said to them, “I have had a dream, and my spirit is anxious to know the dream.”   (NKJV)

 

Luke 1:

46  And Mary said:  “ My soul magnifies the Lord, 

47  And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. 

48  For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; 

     For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.   (NKJV)

 

Luke 12:

16  Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully.

17  And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’

18  So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods.

19  And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.”’  

     (NKJV)

 

Romans 1:

9    For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son,

      that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers, (NKJV)

 

 

 

If every person can have a spirit and since the Trinity is one God in three persons, then each person of the Trinity should have their own spirit:

 

 

God has a spirit:

 

Romans 8:

14  For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.   (NASB)

 

1 Corinthians 3:

16  Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?    (NKJV)

 

 

His son Jesus has a spirit:

 

Galatians 4:

6  Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"  (NASB)

 

1 Peter 1:

11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified

    beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.     (NKJV)

 

 

If the holy spirit is a person, then he should also have a spirit, just like man does and God and Christ do, but it is never mentioned in the Bible that the holy spirit has a spirit.

 

So that means each person in the Trinity should have at least one spirit – a total of six spirits.

 

However, the Trinity doctrine states that the holy spirit is the spirit of God and makes the holy spirit its own person distinct from God. According to its own logic, a Trinity should actually be a total of 6 persons in one Godhead since a person (3 in this case – Father/Son/Holy Spirit) has its own spirit which is also a person in itself (another 3).

 

But we can clearly see from the examples of the spirit of a person that the spirit is not a separate "person" within someone, but is synonymous with the person or is a part of that person. The Bible does not teach that the spirit of a person is a completely different person apart from the person.

 

So we have a paradox. If the holy spirit is the spirit of God then it cannot be a person that is a different or separate person from God Himself. But if the holy spirit is a person as a Trinity doctrine proposes, then he will have his own spirit (which the Bible does not say he has) and cannot be God's spirit. In other words, the holy spirit is either the spirit of God and is not a separate person or the holy spirit is a separate person from God which means as a “person”, the holy spirit will have his own spirit.

 

Then what do we call the spirit of the holy spirit? Is it a distinct individual, too? If we say yes, which is what the Trinity doctrine is illogically proposing in the first place since it says that God’s spirit can be a separate person from God – when does it end?

 

One can see this goes into an infinite loop if one decides to defy logic and call a person’s spirit an individual unto himself, because the Bible makes it abundantly clear that a person has a spirit, but this spirit is never a separate person of its own. For if the Holy Spirit is a spirit and yet a person, then he should have a spirit which is a person, and then this spirit person will also have a spirit, and this spirit of the spirit of the Holy Spirit will have his own spirit and so on and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

 

This is why a Trinity doctrine is confusing and totally illogical. It is forcing individual personhood from something that just is not the case. A person’s spirit is another way to say it is that same person or is a part of that person, but it simply cannot exist separate and be a distinct individual apart from that person; it is not another person. It ends right here – there are no “additional” persons. There is no infinite progression of spirit persons having spirit persons.

 

And we must not forget that God is already a spirit:

 

John 4:

24     God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.   (KJV)

 

 

So in addition to this confusion, we must ask ourselves if God is a spirit, why would He even have or need another spirit?

 

The fact that the holy spirit is never mentioned to have his own or any spirit tells you that it is not a person, but it is God's spirit (this is also why there is never a name attached to it). And if it is God’s spirit, it cannot be a separate individual from the person of God Himself. It ends right here – it is not an “additional” person.

 

Here is another example to illustrate this point:

 

1 Corinthians 2:

11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
    Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.    (NKJV)

 

 

In this parallel of the spirit of man and the spirit of God it should be readily apparent that the spirit of the man is obviously not a separate person from the man, but is synonymous with the man/person himself.   Likewise, the spirit of God is not a separate person from God Himself.

 

When it says the spirit of the man which is in him, we are not saying there are two persons (a man and a spirit) in one man or one man in two persons.  The spirit means the man; it stands for the man.  It is the same as saying the man himself – it is talking about the one man.

 

The same holds true when it says the spirit of God.  The spirit of God is another way of saying God Himself; it is not saying there are two persons in God.  The spirit of a person and the person are identical with one another and mean the same person.

 

If we stop to think about what a Trinity doctrine is actually teaching here about how God who is a spirit must have another spirit person, we should come to the conclusion that not only does it not make sense (God is not a God of confusion – 1 Corinthians 14:33), but nowhere does the Bible support the spirit of a person as being a completely other person.

 

And if the Holy Spirit is indeed a 3rd person in a Trinity, why does “he” not have a name as Our Heavenly Father and His son have?

 

 

 

Please see related article ‘God is already a spirit – why does a spirit need a spirit?